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but not knowing quite how it was going to end, whether a bloodbath or an election. and then you had all these amazing characters. mandela first among them. and one of -- maybe a dirty little secret of south africa is that it has first world infrastructures. so unlike a lot of other places where you're covering upheaval and bloodshed, the airplanes fly on time. there are rental cars, well-paved highways, fast food joints, telephones that work, gas stations. you may be traveling to scenes that feel like the third world upheavals but you're doing it with a first world comfort level. >> how do you characterize his relationship with the foreign press over the years? did he seem to seek out that attention? was he aware of the benefits of bringing in foreign reporters? >> he was very shrewd about the press. i always had the sense that he knew exactly what he was doing, and you could see he was sort of gauging what he had to give and what he needed to do in each interview. if it was somebody who was sort of dropped in from the foreign world that just wanted to bathe in the presence of nelson ma
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